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09 August 2012 @ 10:53 pm
rant... names are withheld to protect the innocent  
grrr. why do they assume that no one told her, told her the nature and means of his revenge? the fact that the whole town would have known, the people she did business with, the places she worked at would have heard, would likely have participated in 'her' funeral procession and the burial of what was assumed to be her body. when she was rescued i'm sure she would have noticed that more than a few of the townsfolk in the marketplace looking at her with terror (like they'd seen a ghost) and making whatever gestures with their hands to ward off evil. why do they assume that all this would go unnoticed by the girl? i would assume that her interrogation would be demanding, loud and painful for all of those who didn't tell her to begin with.

there are so so many fan fictions that i have read in this fandom that use the same premise, that no one tells her what really happened and she merely believes she'd been kidnapped. surely her kidnapper would have bragged, someone would have told her on the way home so she would understand why people were acting so strangely when they saw her.... but NO!!  no one tells her and they all insist that it is the responsibility of the one who was hurt most by her 'death' so that he could relive the anguish and suffering all over again. GRRR.   
 
 
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Raberba girl: Saix's eyesraberbagirl on August 10th, 2012 05:31 am (UTC)
Wait...what? People write stuff about Kenshin getting blamed for Kaoru's kidnapping?
kokoronagomu: be afraidkokoronagomu on September 2nd, 2012 09:31 pm (UTC)
no no no! people write that no one tells kaoru that there was a doll made to look like her and everyone believed her dead... in their stories they say that it's kenshin's thing to tell her. i'm reading another where they didn't tell her and left kenshin to tell her (it's in a flashback)... GRRR!!

GRRR GRRR GRRR GRRR

kaoru would have pounded them for making her wait for an explanation, she would have pounded them for making kenshin live through that again, she would have pounded them just on general principles... i want to pound every author who makes kenshin have to explain what enishi's true jinchuu was. i also want to pound tomoe for telling enishi that she had changed her mind, but she didn't change her mind because she told enishi to go home to edo because she didn't want his hands stained with 'this business', so when she finally changed her mind at the last minute enishi never had a clue.
Raberba girl: Saix's eyesraberbagirl on February 23rd, 2013 03:27 pm (UTC)
Oh, I see. Yeah, that's dumb...in my experience, it's usually best to explain everything ASAP, even for less urgent matters.

What? Tomoe did change her mind. She and Enishi both knew that she had gone to Kytoto to kill Kenshin. By the time she fell in love with Kenshin and obviously abandoned her plan, she thought that Enishi was still at home; she had no idea he'd followed her until he showed up on her doorstep. So obviously she told her little brother to go back home where she thought he would be safe. It wasn't her fault the little brat thought he knew best and decided to stick around anyway, against her wishes. I hate when people unfairly bash Tomoe; she's a fantastic character and I love her.
kokoronagomukokoronagomu on February 23rd, 2013 08:16 pm (UTC)
http://view.thespectrum.net/series/rurouni-kenshin-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+20&page=109

tomoe's talk with enishi... starts at volume 20 page 109 -- they speak of how he got involved with the bakufu and that he's her contact-- the next page has her telling him that he's the eldest son and that he should go back to edo. she says, ""i can't let you dirty your hands with this."" and at his protest she just says ""go back home enishi."" <--there is no explanation there is no statement that she's changed her mind since she hadn't changed her mind yet. she didn't say anything when he exclaimed ""YOU'RE PROTECTING HIM, HE'S YOUR ENEMY... STOLE YOUR HAPPINESS!"" and the next page has them saying that she would see him tomorrow indicating that the plan was still on and since he wasn't going to edo that she would be going to meet them as planned... there were no explanations, her statement that she couldn't let him 'dirty his hands' indicates she was still going through with it, it may have been paining her because of her developing feelings for her fiance's killer but her resolve wasn't set against her original purpose. i can tell you exactly when she did change her mind it was after kenshin in a moment of extreme contrite passion that he explained his joining the ishinshishi and that he would protect her happiness... http://view.thespectrum.net/series/rurouni-kenshin-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+20&page=133 was when her direction changed and she chose to go against her original plan to lure him to be killed.

Raberba girl: Zebra-Xemnasraberbagirl on February 25th, 2013 06:49 am (UTC)
The siblings' conversation is cut off before it's finished; who knows what they said to each other before Enishi came storming out of the house. Watsuki-sensei had no need to repeat information onscreen that the readers already knew, which would have taken up valuable pages he had better use for. Or if it's information the readers didn't know yet, he withheld it for dramatic effect, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen, it just means it happened offscreen.

As for Tomoe's line about Enishi dirtying his hands, she knows what kind of men are that she's been associating with, and she obviously doesn't want her little brother involved in that world. It wasn't specifically referring to Kenshin; remember that she's still dismayed from having just discovered that her little brother is involved with the bakufu in the first place, when she thought he'd been safe at home.

And what in the world?! "Bye--! See ya tomorrow!" That's the kids talking to Kenshin! o.O The speaking style certainly does not match Tomoe, and Enishi is way too upset to be sounding so flippant there; besides, the dialogue bubbles are placed outside, where Kenshin and the kids are; Kenshin is facing over his shoulder, calling out to them and telling them to be careful on the way home.

It frustrates me, because it seems that you're so incredibly biased against Tomoe that you're carelessly misreading everything so as to cast her in a bad light. You're not being fair to her or objective about her at all. Which is fine if you want to do that, but why do you do it in your messages to me when you know I love her?!

It just makes me hate what you love, because your insensitive hatred of my favorite characters and pairings puts a huge sour taste in my mouth when I think of your own favorite characters and pairings. I think that Kaoru's a childish idiot for most of the series and that Tomoe would have been a better wife to Kenshin if she'd survived the war and had a chance, but I don't remember ever bashing Kaoru herself or the KK pairing when I'm talking to you, all my vitriol is for the fandom and the fans. What you're doing is exactly what all the other KK fans do! How are you being any different from them right now?!?!
kokoronagomu: soothingkokoronagomu on February 25th, 2013 07:52 am (UTC)
i merely explained what i saw and read into the scenes... you had clarified the situation about the kids addressing kenshin, saying 'bye, see you...' for me where i was misinterpreting the positioning of the frames and the scene. and i see where you are getting at about them discussing after enishi's outburst that could have taken place off screen.

not getting upset and discussing with me would have been nice but i know you're upset already and i'm sorry that i upset you even more. it wasn't that i was carelessly misreading, it was that i was stating what i saw or how i interpreted what i saw. i always did see someone who was a tragic character and i agree that she isn't given a fair deal in fandom but as far as i see, both women have their flaws and i think that is what makes them live and gives them depth and complexity which makes a better story.
Raberba girl: Zebra-Xemnasraberbagirl on February 25th, 2013 08:10 am (UTC)
Sorry. It's just, this isn't the first time this has happened, there's been at least one other instance of a huge misreading, and some other smaller ones. I really, really, really do respect people's right to have their own opinions and all that, as long as it doesn't affect me personally; but when the bashing starts intruding on my "territory," that's when I get upset. I've never had much of a problem with people hating Tomoe and KT; it's when they bash her in reviews on my stories and direct messages to me that I want to scream in outrage, especially when they refuse to stop after I ask them. -.-

I know that I keep overreacting, and I know it's bad. I just have all these buttons now that I didn't used to have. People are so relentlessly unfair, and I'm so hugely full of anger and frustration and rage and bitterness and negativity because of everything that's been going on the past few months, I don't have any love left even for the people closest to me, even my mom who's been doing so very much to help me. It's all just hate hate hate hate, and the more I search for love, all I find is more hatred, and it discourages me even more than I already am.

"both women have their flaws and i think that is what makes
them live and gives them depth and complexity which makes a better story." That is exactly what I think, too! So how come no one agrees with me?! Or they say they do but then belie that?!
kokoronagomukokoronagomu on February 25th, 2013 08:56 am (UTC)
because dearest, people are people and people are imperfect and flawed and biased and have their own problems and hates and negatives and pain and distress and anguish. we're all messed up and going crazy. the fact that is something that i hope to always keep in mind after someone rants at me. i'm no better or worse, i'm just as bad.

i understand you're going through a bad time now and i want you to feel better. if you need to grumble and someone to grumble at i'm here for you. keep that in mind, okay. i've got a lot of "adopted" kids and there are a few who feel more comfortable talking/ranting with me and it's okay with me because it's what they need at the time. take a deep breath and find a beautiful place to contemplate and relax. *HUGS*
Raberba girl: Riku inviteraberbagirl on February 25th, 2013 06:38 pm (UTC)
Thanks for putting up with me. *hugs back*
kokoronagomu: surprise kitten cutenesskokoronagomu on February 26th, 2013 12:49 am (UTC)
you put up with me... so it's mutual. =p

love you!